The System Challenge: who has the best knowledge of systems

[tmac08]

I have a 2005 Chevy avalanche, and i need a system. in the avalanches you can build a box that is in the bed of the truck but you take off the back wall so it is viewable from inside the truck .this means you can fit pretty much anything in it(for those of you who didnt know).the custom box costs about $500-$600. Including mids and highs what is the absolute best system i could get for $1500?.

[nastynas]

I think that depends on what kind of music you like. Do you want a system for SQ or just loudness? and is it just bass you want? How much boot space are you willing to sacrifice???? Every bodys idea of a best system is different

[tmac08]

im look in for a hard hittin bass system but also have the sound clarity. and the boot space isnt really a problem with how they build the box its pretty badass

[nastynas]

Now here's my plan, I'm gona wait for CV and Easy E to post suggestions and just agree with them

Dont worry they'll be posting soon!

[tmac08]

im guessin these two guys know thier stuff

[nastynas]

Yeh they sure do! and also i'm not from the states and have never even heard of a 2005 Chevy avalanche so without knowing what kinda vehicle and what kinda market you have in the states (assuming you're from there) I mite not be giving you the best advice. Generaly if you want hard hitting loud bass its best to herd a lot of smaller subs as opposed to one great big one!

[tmac08]

oh yeah i didnt think about that and yeah im from the states. but yeah thats what i was thinkin about the smaller ones ive been lookin at gettin three kicker S10L7. have you heard of those?

[Easy E]

oh yeah i didnt think about that and yeah im from the states. but yeah thats what i was thinkin about the smaller ones ive been lookin at gettin three kicker S10L7. have you heard of those?

Solo 10s get loud but don't sound that good. Doesn't really matter what size woofer you will go with, 2 12s or 3 10s they will sound similar, 12s probally have a big more low end depending on the design etc. You have alot of options to go with in this setup. For the best imaging have your best speakers in the front and dont go with speakers in the sub box, just woofers

[tmac08]

k thanks but one more question in your opinion what is the best brand of woofer?

[ijoey1017i]

I'd go with 2 12"s because its easier to understand whats going on simple amp hook up ect. Plus cheaper I think because the difference between 10's and 12's isn't that much in price and obviously 3 costs more than 2. I'd make the box yourself as well because no box should cost 500-600.... I could build you one and ship it to you for half that which isn't an offer....

[Easy E]

I am somewhat familar with the Avalanche but not with the box, do you have a link or picture to see if its easily created for a fraction of the price?

[nastynas]

Sorry about late reply, Like i said im a big fan of the guys on this forum (looking at previous threads) so i'm not going to be stepping on there toes. The whole idea behind using more smaller subs as opposed to less bigger subs is Mass.

You get loudness by moving air and the more speaker cone area (mass) you have moving air the louder it's going to be! i,e. 2 x 12'' = 24 inches of mass and 3 x 10'' will give you 30 inches of mass.

How ever theres no point going for more subs if you don't have the boot space. It's always better to go for less or smaller subs in a proper sized box rather then going for more subs or bigger subs and trying to squeeze them into somewhere.

A problem you may have using more subs is ressistance! You need to keep an eye on what ressistance your amp runs best at and match the subs to that! It isn't alway that simple doing that using lots of subs.

I think i'm straying a bit from the topic a bit but at a budget I was rather impressed with the petras hypercast subs theyre cheap and are also easy to power. I'm not sure on the price of amps there but im sure any mid system jl, mtx etc will be fine with them subs.

[CVStroker]

air the louder it's going to be! i,e. 2 x 12'' = 24 inches of mass and 3 x 10'' will give you 30 inches of mass.

Actually no, you have to look displacement, not diameter.

Typical surface area of a 12 is 110 square inches, so the pair of 12s would have 220 square inches of area. We'll also assume a 1" peak to peak excursion, for a total of 220 cubic inches of displacement.

Typical surface area of a 10 is around 60 square inches, making the trio displace a total of 180 cubic inches of air (still assuming a 1" Xmax).

Even though the 12s have a lesser diameter, they have greater displacement.

[CVStroker]

I have a 2005 Chevy avalanche, and i need a system. in the avalanches you can build a box that is in the bed of the truck but you take off the back wall so it is viewable from inside the truck .this means you can fit pretty much anything in it(for those of you who didnt know).the custom box costs about $500-$600. Including mids and highs what is the absolute best system i could get for $1500?.

First, if you can get a pic of that box, post it, because I'm sure it can be built for far less than that.

Second, we need to know your true goal, do you want it to be insane loud, to sound as good as possible, or to be a nice balance between the two?

Third, we need to know what you're looking at replacing. Just subs and amp? Subs, amp and speakers? The whole thing, subs, speakers, head unit, and amp?

[nastynas]

im guessin these two guys know thier stuff

You see what i mean? lol

I'm really not up to scratch with displacement CV, where can i find out more about this? do you know of any websites????

[CVStroker]

Take the surface area (the radius of the cone squared times 3.14) and multiply it by the Xmax. That will give the approximate total volume of air that the speaker can move.

[tmac08]

First, if you can get a pic of that box, post it, because I'm sure it can be built for far less than that.

Second, we need to know your true goal, do you want it to be insane loud, to sound as good as possible, or to be a nice balance between the two?

Third, we need to know what you're looking at replacing. Just subs and amp? Subs, amp and speakers? The whole thing, subs, speakers, head unit, and amp?

ill try and get that pic but its hard to find cause not many people have theirs built that way. but about what i want. i want it to sound as good as possible but with alot of bass too not tons but a good bit. as to what im replacing i need subs amp and speakers. i currently have a head unit its a pioneer DEH-P6500 its an old unit and im not sure if it will serve me right for what i want.

[tmac08]

this is a pic of what kind of box im talkin about but it doesnt have to be that type of material. So how much do yall think that should cost?

[tmac08]

here is another version

[Easy E]

That box is definately possible to replicate, it would be kind of a challenge to get the corners just right depends on how you mount the box.

[tmac08]

well ive never built a box before so im not expeirenced at that one, but how much do you think that type of box should costs? any idea?

[Easy E]

well ive never built a box before so im not expeirenced at that one, but how much do you think that type of box should costs? any idea?

A car audio shop should be able to build it for less then $500. Shop around and see how much they quote you for. You can always use quotes to get a shop to lower their price.

[tmac08]

well what is your opinion on the solo baric 12 L7's cause the cone radias is bigger than a normal sub so doesnt that displace more air?

[CVStroker]

They're louder, but they also need big boxes and lack SQ compared to most subs.

[Easy E]

I agree with CV, the Solo is more of a SPL sub. It was designed to be a SPL sub because of the extra cone area vs a round sub. You can use it in a SQ install but in very limited uses, I have seen it happen before. But they sure do get loud but they love big boxes.